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1 of 1 people found this post helpful Posted 29 Apr, 2007 - 05:06 AM: Subject: Are you for or against the wind turbine project?	#1
By now you will know about the wind turbine project proposed for Marshland St James. If you don't, then please read the information on this site to find out more. Tell us whether you want this project to go ahead or not! In order to vote you must first register, then log-in. Only one vote per member. Edited by webmaster on 29 Apr, 2007 - 12:43 PM

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5 of 5 people found this post helpful Posted 12 May, 2007 - 09:17 PM: Subject: David	#2
I am personally against the proposal

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2 of 2 people found this post helpful Posted 22 May, 2007 - 09:14 PM:	#3
I am totally against wind turbines in populated areas. They are unafficiant, ugly and would ruin a beautiful area of Anglia.

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2 of 2 people found this post helpful Posted 24 May, 2007 - 11:41 AM: Subject: AGAINST	#4
I am totally against such a project near to people. I have been disabled for over five and a half years and suffer from audiological problems as a result of this. I had to wear earplugs during last Friday’s meeting whilst the recording of the turbines was being played as the effect on my health of the low frequencies can be so severe. Myself and plenty of others like me could find their health and their independence destroyed if a project as large as this was given the go ahead. The statistics show the majority of people living near inland wind farms/factories suffer from increased sleep problems, headaches/migraines, audiological problems etc I already have problems with all of these and the proposed turbines would destroy my quality of life for good.

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2 of 4 people found this post helpful Posted 25 May, 2007 - 09:57 AM: Subject: Bias views	#5
I have read with interest the 'goings on' of Marshland St James and its proposed Wind Farm and of course of your opposition to it. My first reaction is one of mass hysteria whipped up and perpetuated by this group and my second is one of the 'Not in my back yard' mentality. I personally SUPPORT the erection of wind farms and if I could, would have dozens in my back yard! As your site only suggests you should be against wind farms, may I post a link here so as others may read the argument towards wind farms for themselves. http://www.wind4energy.co.uk/faq.asp However, I doubt my post will remain here for very long...such is the autocratic style that appears to have been adopted by your group.

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2 of 2 people found this post helpful Posted 25 May, 2007 - 10:24 AM:	#6
Hi Carol First of all I must say that I am NOT on the committee of FLAT so cannot actually speak for them. I am very sorry you feel this site is biased. There is an overwhelming amount of information on the internet, and it is very difficult (and extremely time consuming) to find it, sort it out and see what we are allowed to use without breaking copyright law. This site has only been up for 4 weeks and as webmaster I have tried to find as many articles as I could to help people. Two of those weeks I was actually away, and personally I felt that putting so much information up in just 2 weeks was pretty good going! Perhaps this site IS biased, but surely that is only because FLAT is against the proposal! Anybody can search the internet for more information, and I am glad to see that you have done just that and included a link within your post to a site that I presume you found helpful. But I was even more disheartened to read your final paragraph. My experience with FLAT has certainly not given me to believe that they are autorcatic in any way at all, nor do I see that the group themselves have whipped up or perpetuated mass hysteria. I understand that FLAT is NOT against wind turbines, but simply do not wish them in their back yard. I personally SUPPORT the erection of wind farms and if I could, would have dozens in my back yard Then perhaps we could persuade them to move this proposal to your back yard My home is reasonably close to some of the proposed wind turbines, and I personally do not wish to risk the negative side of them concerning health, etc.

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1 of 2 people found this post helpful Posted 25 May, 2007 - 11:41 AM: Subject: In reply	#7
Thank you for your courteous comments in reply to my post. Yes, of course you are biased on this site as you are standing against the wind farms and of course this is justified, as the site would not exist if you were not! And you are certainly correct...I WOULD have them in my back yard and actually already do live near them in Coldham and am very pleased to do so. Further more, I have never heard of anyone (scientifically proven beyond reasonable doubt with a control to ensure a fair test) who has become ill due to the rotation of blades in the air near this particular wind farm or any other, nor do I believe that this is actually the case. Frankly I would rather have them on my doorstep over a Nuclear power station any day... As regards the idea that they produce ‘a blot on the landscape’ visible for miles, well yes, they are visible, but that is in their favour, in my opinion rather that their detriment. And I personally find their visibility and movement serene. However, the one thing I DO agree with you on is the sheer volume of the turbines. I feel a dozen is much more appropriate with the remainder being located several miles from this one. (However, then we are considering production costs and disruption to nature due to locating them.) That said, Turbines are a way in which we harness natural resources in an attempt to reduce our impact upon the earth and are directly linked to the attempts of Britain to answer it’s side of the Kyoto Protocol. Furthermore, East Anglia is flat and ideal for windmills of yesteryear and the turbines of tomorrow.

Carol

Posted 25 May, 2007 - 12:34 PM: Subject: Low Level noise Research	#8
I would like to add (if I am allowed to...) another link that addresses the claims of health issues associated with wind farms. http://www.bwea.com/ref/lowfrequencynoise.html Now I have made a voice for those FOR wind farms, I will leave you to consider and we will simply agree to disagree.

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Posted 25 May, 2007 - 03:54 PM:	#9
In regard to Carol's comment. Carol, you left a link to a website 100% for windfarms, and you have commented saying this website is Bias. Have you ever heard of the phrase, The pot calling the kettle black?

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Posted 25 May, 2007 - 04:02 PM: Subject: Quote of the week...	#10
Sorry, but just found the best quote on the site Carol posted... "Wind turbines do generate some noise but are not noisy".

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Posted 25 May, 2007 - 06:15 PM:	#11
carol wrote: Further more, I have never heard of anyone (scientifically proven beyond reasonable doubt with a control to ensure a fair test) who has become ill due to the rotation of blades in the air near this particular wind farm or any other, nor do I believe that this is actually the case. I would be interested in hearing your view then of those from all over the world who have suffered with their health. Many of these people were not originally against the turbines being erected close to their homes. They all suffer from the similar symptoms that began after the erection of the turbines. Coincidence? Faking it? Hypocondriacs? Reports and studies clearly state that these problems do not occur in ALL wind farms. However, they are more likely to occur in flat open spaces (such as the area for this proposal). Nor, when the farms do cause problems, does it appear to affect everybody's health, just a large proportion of the local residents. Unfortunately, scientific surveys such as you would like cost money and I cannot envisage any party or government body forking out for such a reason. But tbh I don't have much faith in scientific surveys anyway; I have known many that have later been proven incorrect. carol wrote: Frankly I would rather have them on my doorstep over a Nuclear power station any day... I don't want either carol wrote: As regards the idea that they produce ‘a blot on the landscape’ visible for miles, well yes, they are visible, but that is in their favour, in my opinion rather that their detriment. And I personally find their visibility and movement serene. Personally, I would not be against them were it not for the risk of health matters. Not sure if I find them serene, certainly hypnotic! I also have animals that are sensitive to noise and vibration - how will it affect them? carol wrote: Turbines are a way in which we harness natural resources in an attempt to reduce our impact upon the earth and are directly linked to the attempts of Britain to answer it’s side of the Kyoto Protocol. I feel the biggest problem here is the fact that the Government has been ploughing so much money into turbines that there isn't any left for other resources. It is well known, and proven, that wind turbines are not the most efficient of resources. What about solar power? Admittedly I haven't looked into this, but I would rather many people were subsidised to have solar power on their homes than give hundreds of thousands to just half a dozen people. Jill

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Posted 26 May, 2007 - 11:41 AM: Subject: fenlander	#12
Since the proposal to erect the windfarm I like many others have no doubt given a lot of thought about how this will affect me and my way of life personally. Although I have to say that previously I was of the opinion they were graceful and must be green, because everyone including the Government kept telling us so. But since attending the Flat meeting I think if this goes ahead the immediate worry is how a thousand lorries trundling into the area and trundling back out, with all of the associated workman etc. will affect all of us, our surroundings, wildlife and the farmers going about their daily business (but then they will be getting paid for their inconvenience). Our little country roads were never built to sustain this amount and weight of traffic. Furthermore will this additional use of fuel and the making of the concrete letting carbon emissions into the atmosphere EVER be recouped and all in the name of saving our planet, I very much doubt it. But finally, when we have all endured the disruption caused by the erection of the turbines we have yet to find out for ourselves how bad we will be affected by all of the other documented problems, which, after finding out as much as I can about windfarms, I might say are not just on this website. How can we allow ourselves to be duped into thinking this must be green and that we are being selfish if we don't agree with the proposals and all of this when the turbines themselves only have a supposed lifespan of 25 years and are only 25% efficient at best, so that nuclear power has to be kept on standby!!!!!!!!!!!

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1 of 1 people found this post helpful Posted 26 May, 2007 - 03:08 PM: Subject: Mr	#13
Unfortunately I could not attend the last FLAT public meeting so I do not know if you discussed my point or not, but I would like to suggest that you include in your 'What can I do?' section details of any authorities that we as individuals can write to in order that our individual voices can be heard. For example the address of the local planning authority, the address of the local MPs etc. I believe your group is an excellent start in preventing the development progressing, however you are collectively only one representative, you will send one letter. I believe the more self representation we encourage the stronger our case will be, what we need is hundreds of letters sent to the authorities. We need to inform people how to get their individual voice heard. I hope this is a useful suggestion.

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Posted 27 May, 2007 - 11:45 AM: Subject: Reply to Kev	#14
Hello Kev Thanks for your suggestion - we are working on this and hope to post the details both on the website and also in a possible newsletter for those who don't have access to the internet. Hope this will help. Jamie

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1 of 1 people found this post helpful Posted 30 May, 2007 - 02:08 PM: Subject: Im Against Windfarms	#15
I 100%totally against windfarms in rural areas infact even off shore they ruin the countryside, if the whole country is full of windfarms the country won't be worth saving as they are monsteroius ugly inefficient and noisy.WHO IN THE HELL WOULD WANT TO LIVE HERE! They scare animals and kill other species and humans are finding it difficult to live along side the noise, the light being interupted the list is endless. Above they are not green at all its a myth and the whole reasoning behind any of them being built is purely econimic dressed up in a eco friendly way. These people do not give two hoots about us or the enviroment. They are not building them, consulting or allowing land to be used for them out of the goodness of their hearts. If this proposed site goes ahead my house will be worthless, I will have to move, due to disruption both from construction and the noise they will generate. My horses are scared off the propeller bird scarers, what are they going to do with they monsters, I have done my research in all aspects and they outlook for these once erected near myself is so very bleak. I am no fool, done my own non bias research spoke to organisations and was horrified to hear that the consortium who addressed me personally at the first meeting had not been forth right with the truth. I personally think no one person should have the right to disrupt anothers right to peace and tranquility in their own home, the poor people from Deeping St Nicholas are living proof of the destruction of these gargantuan monsters. If people want them in their back garden fine, just don't ever live near me! I sincerely believe that FLAT have always been very professional and their meetings were wholly designed to inform us of exactly what a choosen few were going to do to our beautiful fens. Their meetings have been very informative and not like the press have been covering.On the otherhand I found the consortium high handed approach gut renching and dismissive. The consultants were like very bad car sales man with cheap suits and nasty attitudes, they caused the unpleasantness at the first meeting. They did nothing to endere me to the proposed plan, their handling of the whole matter is astonishingly bad, maybe thats what they want, but I find them incredible devious and the whole attitude of them and the consortium stinks. Keep up the good work FLAT we are supportive and behind you all the way!

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0 of 2 people found this post helpful Posted 30 May, 2007 - 07:11 PM: Subject: Can we not do our bit?	#16
I have to say there is some helpful information on this site both for and against the wind turbines. I am however for them. I can understand why the local community would not want them but I also think they are a good idea. Maybe a better suggestion would be to put one in every village as I am sure that one of the reasons you are all quite anti is the fact that you are all worried about your house prices. So if we get one in every village (if the house prices were to fall) all the local houses will lose the same amount so it won't matter. I also believe that if the farmers want to use their land for something like this then that is their choice. How many of the people on this committee are actually born and bred fenlanders? How many have been brought up in the towns where it wouldnt matter if we put windfarms there even if they were noisy or caused diseases as you could always put it down to the airports and pollution. The problem is they can't put them in the towns and cities and this is our chance to do a bit for the environment. Granted they are not as effective as a nuclear powerstation but could you imagine how upset you would all get if that was on the cards. I do not think they are ugly I think they add to our lovely flat landscape. Your ideas to raise money involve driving cars more and helping to add to the problem of global warming. You also moved your meeting so you all had to drive rather than walk. I hope what they say about us fenlanders is true in all your cases as without people everywhere doing their bit to stop global warming you will all need webbed feet as we will be the first bit of the country under water (what goes around comes around) and we will all need to be able to swim.

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Posted 31 May, 2007 - 06:18 PM:	#17
Have just read the last post and am so gobsmacked how can someone be so utterly naive! Have one in every village, wonderful great so everyone won't sleep suffer with the drone and the light flicker brilliant idea kill all the birds in every village and drive everyone nuts, brilliant fanstastic! If farmers want to use their land for these turbines they should be able to do what they want again brilliant idea, I'll put in for sewage works right next door to you, fantastic bet you would love that would'nt you! Does it really matter how many people are fenlanders if you live here love it here does it matter, have people no rights of say if they have moved here or not! fantastic idea, let's have anyone not a fenlander have no say at all absolutely wonderful! Nuclear power station is not proposed here, so of absolutely consequence harnless the tidal flow, got plenty of that go upset the fish! any alternative to windfarms are not nuclear so what's that all about utter rubbish. So driving cars in the fens in going to be a serious matter for the next G8 summit for global warming one day are you bonkers! If you think turbines are lovely wonderul and add to our flat landscape why don't you go buy the poor peoples house in deeping St Nicholas go hug a turbine don't live near me. If these farmers want the future of farming in the forefront of their minds they should look into biofuels many have and have been rather sucessful no one person or persons should be allowed to inflict such horrible insufferable blots on a community. I don't want to live near these monsters, i don't want my sleep interupted I don't want my animals frightened I don't want shed loads of monster trucks up and down my road for nearly a year whilst they are building them, I want the freedom to use the lanes and bridlepaths without my horses being so freaked out that they are dangerous to me and others and above all themselves I don't want my house to be unsellable thats my right. All those in favour of these monsters go live in the house in Deeping St Nicholas the affects of these monsters is very real no scare mongering very real so get real!

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1 of 1 people found this post helpful Posted 01 Jun, 2007 - 02:46 PM: Subject: For or against	#18
At this moment in time I am going to be FOR the proposal. Unlike some people I do not find their appearance to be ugly. Agreed they are certainly not part of the Fenland landscape:but on that point neither would the roads and houses if you went back in history far enough. I have to say that the impression I have both from media coverage and this forum is that from as soon as the village population were aware of the proposal the actions were as follows. 1. We are all against this. 2. Now let's look round for some information to quantify our objections. So in other words its going to be " not in my backyard" now let me find out what reasons I can give for the objection. I have even seen some sentiments that object because the farmers will make money from it. Hardly a valid objection on its own. Unless of course these people also object to every profit making organisation from the largest supermarket to the smallest village shop. Farmers have to diversify: their incomes decline as we purchase cheaper foodstuffs from supermarkets.Some of you would probably even object to a golf course! Why: Because they might make money from that as well!! On a final pint I just have to say how sickened I am at the various reports in the press regarding intimidation, poison pen letters, deliberate destruction of wind measuring equipment etc. etc. If true really despicable.And in a village the size of Marshland, where quite frankly if someone passes wind everone knows about it,I find it hard to believe that the "culprits" are unknown.Let's just hope they can live with their concience.

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Posted 05 Jun, 2007 - 02:43 PM:	#19
Mike i have to say you are completely and utterly deluded, your arguments are baseless and pointless. lets get facts straight no one said we deny them profit (not they need it) but lets not get sanctimonoius about this, this is totally for PROFIT nothing more NOTHING less.They dont give a rat's about us, do not kid yoursef they do. They do not! Wake up and smell the coffee, if these monsters are not ugly I hope you are not an interior decorator, your tastse is in question?

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Posted 05 Jun, 2007 - 09:28 PM: Subject: send them out to uninhabited place	#20
We are totally against this proposal for Marshland St James. It makes no sense for any wind turbines to be built here for two main reasons. One; we don't get a lot of wind here except in winter, and even then not that much due to the level the village is situated in. (Sea level and below). Two; We have some ground moving problems here and the ground floods during rainy periods, bringing the water table up to above part of my rear garden. These monstrosities would cause a real problem. I have tried to sleep near one of these turbines, only half the size of the proposed ones, and believe me sleep is impossible unless you are stone deaf, and vibration is something you are used to. There must be somewhere else without housing to place them. On a hill would make more sense. Keep them off the flat!!! Edited by gwen46 on 05 Jun, 2007 - 09:33 PM. Reason: wrong thing in subject head

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0 of 2 people found this post helpful Posted 08 Jun, 2007 - 10:10 AM: Subject: for or aganst	#21
Ashleigh: Just because you are aganst this wind farm,and beacause you are so vitriolic (I think if you were at a public meeting you would be shouting)doesn't make you RIGHT. People who are against this proposal have a DIFFERENT opinion to you. Doesn't make them wrong. Put forward your arguements by all means but please don't label all supporters as naive,deluded or wrong. Just because they disagree with your doctrine.

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1 of 2 people found this post helpful Posted 08 Jun, 2007 - 03:57 PM:	#22
Mike, think one thing I can gather from your posts is you really are not great at reading people and being fare minded. Taking the press statements as truth was not the best foot forward.I can bet my hat that NONE of FLAT have sent poison pen letters abuse and rah rah rah going on by the consortium which of late I have to say is very distateful. I actually did go the meetings. I did not shout, asked a civilised question and was catergoically lied to by the Consultants. They were the ones who rude evasive and unco-operative not me. I have not judged who you would react to any given situation so dont make yourself looks so idiotic by making rash statements about my mental state. You made basless and pointless claims just to let the forum know you were right and we were wrong you got shot down in flames and you did not like it pure and simple. I have taken the trouble to get properly informed and really do not like what i see about these monsters going up around here. I am allowed that right. If you wanted to have a debate about the rights and wrongs you were not well informed or lets say your post was not informative in any respects. Do not judge me or my attitude when I have done my homework and you clearly have not. I am not being brainwashed by a consortium who doesnt care about the enviroment wildlife or the people having to live with these monsters. I care about the landscape its not a case of Not In My Backyard, I do not want to see them anywhere they are inefficient and would not be built if no susbsidy from this ridiculas excuse for a goverment wasnt handing out OUR money. If 73 protest groups are wrong why is there so much opposition to all the proposed residential sites. Did you know that 25 years time they will be classed as Brownfield sites, leaving all this lovely farmland ripe for industrialisation of gigantic scale! The Fens will be no more, its not just about protecting our lives its the whole future of the countryside put at stake by big business. If living loving and being passionate about the fens is a crime then I am very very guilty. Matter closed!

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Posted 10 Jun, 2007 - 07:42 PM:	#23
Ashleigh, I think its best to close this matter now.You seem to be loosing it a bit.

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Posted 10 Jun, 2007 - 08:18 PM:	#24
Mike bless you

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Posted 20 Jun, 2007 - 12:41 PM:	#25
I live in Swaffham and can say without any doubt at all there will be environmental problems if our councils continue to grant planning applications. We have formed a group in Swaffham to put pressure on our town council to debate and hopefully put forward a sensible wind turbine policy that protects our landscape. Yes our town councillors opened the door not that long ago but are now thinking enough is enough. If we sit on our hands in Swaffham we could within the next 12 months have well over 20 turbines industrialising our immediate landscape and in five years time, well I guess if wind turbines are seen to be detrimental in anyway you won't find anyone who supported them, perhaps with the exception of wealthy landowners and power companies!!!!! We are not convinced land based wind turbines are as effective as their developers state and believe that other forms of renewable energy should be part of a major energy policy. Lobby your MP, write to the council attend parish and town council meetings. Send them emails and letters eventually they wake up. Thanks Steve Hudson Stop Turbines Action Group (STAG)

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